I don't know why companies even make boots anymore.

these are amazingly stiff and yet super comfortable. Going uphill is easy, and downhill even better. They keep me warm, my feet are happy, and they can drive my ski. A better all around experience than the performance boots like the Lange 120s, without sacrificing much. Plus, if you have a narrow foot they will fit you like a glove. or boot. whatever. I couldn't be happier.

GREAT Boots!

I bought these specifically for "working". I'm an ambassador at Killington, and ski mostly lift-served. These promised to drive my front side skis (stiff w/DIN sole) and be comfortable (walk switch and heat fit liner). Once the fitting was done by a local shop, I can put these on at 7:30AM and not touch them until I take them off at 5:00PM. Simply great. Delivered all that I wanted and perhaps more. Thanks.

Pefect with +2 degrees of lean!!

Close to perfect boot for aggressive slack country skier who loves the steeps... Very stiff, precise... like a race boot... BUT amazingly comfortable and warm!!!.... Only downside is 23 degrees of lean is just not enough on the groomers or 30 degree slopes. On the other hand, I'm thinking of making it my full-time boot.

More presice...

The new Pro model is even better than the "old" Tornado model. The shell seems stiffer and the boot feels more precise when skiing hard.

Good stuff

Only drawback to this boot is the lack of a rocker sole. I can get over that because I'm more likely to wear tennies and pack the boots during the hiking season. As for touring, once you unlock the pivot and a few buckles, these boots were just a flexible when compared side-by-side (one on each foot) with a pair of Megarides. You can make a stiff boot flex, but you can't make a flexible boot stiff - and a stiff boot rocks for the variable backcountry snow conditions here on the Front Range. So far, so good. I matched these with some Naxos - a binding so well pivoted you hardly even need an AT boot anyway. My fit was 1 finger between the heal and the shell with my toes just contacting the front - and I'd say that's about perfect. The thermomold thing fixes the rest. A few shops wanted to put me into a 1.5-2 finger kind of fit, but in the end I think that kind of fit is more appropriate for an alpine boot with no thermomold. Feels way too tight before thermomold, perfect after. My toes do contact the front with a little pressure when touring, but boots too loose, after packing out, can produce "hammering" of the front toe, which is much worse.